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Brothers (& Sisters) Killed in Action in USMC Helicopters or while assigned to USMC Helicopter or Tiltrotor Squadrons in Vietnam



680611   HMM-164     Vietnam

Incident Date 680611 HMM-164 CH-46A 150960+ Artillery round, airborne

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Lerman, Conrad Cpl Gunner HMM-164 MAG-16 680611 (vvm 58W:027)
Templeton, Raymond Woodrow Sgt Crew Chief HMM-164 MAG-16 680611 (vvm 58W:029)
Zamorski, Glenn John 1stLt Pilot HMM-164 MAG-16 680611 (vvm 58W:031)


LERMAN CONRAD : 2238378 : USMC : CPL : E4 : 7113 : 23 : ALBUQUERQUE : NM : 19680611 : Air Loss Crash Land : Gunner : body recovered : Quang Nam (Da Nang) :01 : 19440728 : Cauc : Catholic/married : 58W : 027

TEMPLETON RAYMOND WOODROW : 1953521 : USMC : SGT : E5 : 6361 : 24 : DOS PALOS : CA : 19680611 : air loss crash land, died of injury : Crew : body recovered : Quang Nam (Da Nang) :06 : 19430817 : Cauc : Protestant/married : 58W : 029

ZAMORSKI GLENN JOHN : 0101586 : USMCR : 1stLT : O2 : 7562 (H-46) : 25 : ELIZABETH : NJ : 19680611 : Air Loss Crash Land : AircraftCommander : body recovered : Quang Nam (Da Nang) :04 : 19421005 : Cauc : Roman Catholic/married : 58W : 031


Personal Narrative:
What I am about to say is my best recollection of what happened on June 11, 1968.

I was Glen Zamorski's wingman the day he was killed in Vietnam. We were doing several hours of externals back and forth from Da Nang to Elephant Valley. As I recall we were a flight of 6 in 2 plane sections. No enemy contact all day and the mission was very routine. I was behind Glen on the return trip to Da Nang approaching the beach area when he took an artillery round fired from a battery of the 11th Marines thru the aft pylon. He fell 1,200 feet, crashed and burned in a sandy area.

I had my camera with me and got a few slides after the helo burned in a pile of ashes.

The co-pilot was Lt. Dan Jones, the same guy who was my co-pilot in YT-14 when we crashed into hill 950 at Khe Sanh a short time before. From what I heard about the details of Glen's death, his seat ejected out the side and Dan's followed landing on top of Glen, but Dan survived. The crew was in the belly and had no chance. I talked to Dan one time back in the states and he told me he was in the hospital for 6 months after the crash. It was a miracle that Dan survived.

Last time I knew of his whereabouts he told me he was flying civilian medevac out of Yuma, Arizona in the early 70's.

Submitted by Col. Dick "Rat" Rosser, HMM-164, wingman

Personal Narrative:
Conrad Lerman took my place as machine gunner that day. We had been flying all that morning and came back to Phu Bai to refuel. Conrad came out to tell me that my orders were in to go on R&R and that he was going to take my place. Only later that afternoon did I find out that after refueling and taking-off that they were shot down on the very next mission, probably while I was packing to go on R&R. Conrad and I were in the same tent and racked side-by-side at Phu Bai.

He was married and had a little girl which he shared pictures of just about every mail call. I do not know if his wife ever got a copy of the cruise book, but I have attached his picture from when we were aboard the Valley Forge. His family can call 330 264-4487 or e-mail me at xken@sssnet.com.

Submitted by Ken Foran, bunkmate, friend

Personal Narrative:
I read the "popasmoke" incident description of the June 11,1968 crash of HMM-164 YT-13 and the resulting deaths of CPL Conrad Lerman, SGT Templeton and LT. Glenn Zamorski USMCR on June 11, 1968. Lt. Glenn Zamorski, the deceased aircraft commander of YT-13, is my friend and brother-in-law.

We received a few sketchy "sanitized" conflicting details of the incident and would appreciate the hard truth of what occurred by return e-mail. My sister is still living and I would pass your information on to her in addition to the "popasmoke" web site account.

I can not appeal to you to provide the information as a Marine nor did I serve in Viet Nam as I served in the Army Artillery in Germany in 65-66, but we as a family have and still live with this incident. I know that there was a wingman and if you are he or a crewmember of that bird or any member of HMM-164 who knows what occurred, please relate the incident to me by return e-mail. As a family, we remain-Semper Fi!

Submitted by Robert Bulino,

Family Information:
My Brother was a great guy. Everyone I have spoken to tells me the same thing, that he was a fun loving but caring person.
His death hit our family hard. My MOM and DAD really struggled with it and mourned heavily.
I miss him dearly to this day. He was my hero.

Submitted by John Zamorski, Glenn was my older brother.

1stLt Glenn J. Zamorski, HMM-164:

http://www.popasmoke.com/visions/image.php?source=1066
Submitted by MGySgt George Curtis, Popasmoke Admin

Personal Request:
Thanks to all that have posted here. For any whom may have known or served with my Dad I would appreciate hearing from you if only to learn a little more about my Dad.
Submitted by Gary Lerman, Conrad Lerman-Son

Personal Request:
I have A Zippo lighter that is engraved with RW Templeton 1953532 USMC on one side and the Marine Corp Emblem on the other. Would like to get it to a family member.
Submitted by Bobby DeAngelo, None


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